The Opinionated Bastard

Links to terror? How about the haitian terrorist and the guy who blew up that cuban plane who the US are harboring? i cant remember their names! but they are here.

also, war is terror. believe it or not dropping cluster bombs on neighborhoods and having little kids being blown apart by picking up the unexploded ordinance is terror.

but we are the good guys and our war is never terror…but good. and the world goes around violence everywhere where all combatants think they are in the right and represent the righteous.

but again, war is terror, and you cant fight a war on terror. there is no such thing. this phrase is meant to perplex us into docility and obedience to violent power.

ernie

Well, you’re shifting the topic away from Hussien and onto the US. I assume that means you accept that Hussien was linked to terror? That was the only point I was trying to make.

Regardless, little kids blown apart by picking up unexploded ordinance never actually happened. Speculation is not something actually happening. If it were I would speculate that a million $ would fall from the sky….nope, not rich. (darn)

And war is not terror. Terrorism is when one takes the actions one might use in a war, but takes them pointlessly to express rage. There may be acts of terrorism in a war, soldiers are human, and get angry and stupid. But when the war becomes acts of terror, it no longer war, it is terror.

Specifically, if you have a military target, its a warlike act, if you have a civilian target its a terrorist act.

Sane governments separate their military from their civilians for this reason. Insane governments mix their civilians and their military targets. It is not terrorism to target a military target that has been purposefully placed among civilians. It is terrorism to attack civilian targets when there are no military targets nearby.

i disagree, modern warfare targets civilian infrastructure because they are interlinked dual use purposed technology, like the UN sanctions disallowing Chloring to Iraq to clean its bombed out water services because chlorine also makes great mustard gas. World War ushered in the era of everyones a target, nuclear warfare is based in this idea.

but ya, hussein is a real bad guy, especially when the uS was supporting his rule. and yes, kids are killed by cluster bombs’ unexploded ordinance, and they get leukemia from thousands of tons of Depleted uranium from US ordinance.

ernie

Yeah, but bleach sitting in a supermarket isn’t a military target. There are very few dual-use things that matter on the _battlefield.

And nuclear warfare strategy is all about knocking out the other guys missles. Even in WWII, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were manufacturing centers so that’s why we targeted them instead of Tokyo. And we dropped leaflets urging people to leave…

I’ve never seen credible evidence of DU being a problem, given that the Depleted in DU means its non-radioactive. Saddam claimed that sure, but DU is heavy (having a similar atomic number to lead), so it doesn’t travel long distances and we weren’t in Baghdad during the last war. So these kids were wandering around the desert? How did they get exposed?

Some % of kids get leukemia every year, its only if the % is substantially higher then normal that you could argue its DU, and both the US and the WHO offered to go in and investigate and Saddam turned them down. If Saddam had let them in, I might think otherwise, but since he refused, I’m suspicious its all a reverse Potemkin Village.

No expert on the issue, but there has been reseacrh showing leukemia rate increases, birth defectsm still borns, various cancers in iraq that show Du is the cause.

Also, tokyo wasnt nuked because tokyo had already been burned to the ground through firebombing. there was no warning to the people of hiroshima. there was a cable to the japanese govt as to surrender or else, but hiroshima was an experiment and a warning to the soviets. in any event only one state has used nukes, the US, and we killed 150,000 civilians instantly and quite easily with RACISM as usual. WWJD

Now we worry about this madness roosting at home, which eventually it will in some form, but wwe brought it upon ourselves. live by the sword, die by the sword. promote violence, receive violence. this wont turn out good.

ernie

I read through the evidence on both sides, and found it unconvincing. For one thing, the troops using DU have much more heavy exposure then any Iraqi civilian and they haven’t shown those problems. Remember this is Iraq, where Saddam would use chemical weapons on his own peopole. So even if those rates were higher, the US might just be a convenient scapegoat. Remember, we were a long way from Baghdad in ‘91 and we only use DU rounds against tanks…that dog won’t hunt.

As far as WWII, you’re repeating the anti-US party line, and I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you. We were at war, and it was going to be a tough call. Tokyo had not been burned to the ground, where do you get this stuff?